Throughout Mrs. Dalloway, we get more and more information about Richard and Peter. Originally, we see Richard solely through the perspective of Clarissa, who sort of implies he is a little bland and boring. However, once you get further in the book, you see that Richard is actually a pretty loved guy. In contrast, from the very first page of the book, we see Peter butting into Clarissa's life. Throughout the book, he is shown as sort of annoying with his interruptions. Seeing these two characters who both had/have an interest in Clarissa, I thought it would be interesting to sort of compare the two and think about why Clarissa felt like she did. This blog post is a little messy and kind of spiderwebs into topics but I thought it would be interesting to dive into the different aspects of their characters and see how that affected their relationship with Clarissa.
Peter Walsh. I feel like we can all imagine the tone behind that name when Clarissa said that on the very first page. His name carries a complicated past as well as a complicated future for them both. Throughout the book, we see Peter always butting in, such as in the garden on the first page. I think another example of him butting into her life could be when he asked her to marry him. While she said no, she now lives with these "what if?" ideas, leaving her to move on with him interrupting her thoughts with his images. For example, very early on in the book we get the line, "If he were with me now what would he say?" Throughout the book we see that Clarissa is very aware of Peter's opinion of her. For example, during her party, Woolf writes, "She could see Peter out of the tail of her eye, critiquing her, there, in that corner." While Peter had not said or done anything to imply he was currently judging her, she was hyperaware of his opinions. Again, he is intruding on her life. Additionally, I think another important layer of him interrupting her life is the fact of how well they knew each other. They have spent a lot of time together and know each other very well and he knows what to say to hurt her. One thing he said that has really stuck with her was the fact that she would make a "perfect hostess". This deeply hurt Clarissa and stayed with her through the years. I think this especially hurt Clarissa because she didn't want to feel reduced to just a wife. We can see this in the book when Clarissa is walking to get flowers and it says, "She had the oddest sense of being herself invisible, unseen; unknown; there being no more marrying, no more having of children now, but only this astonishing and rather solemn progress with the rest of them, up Bond Street, this being Mrs. Dalloway; no even Clarissa any more; this being Mrs. Richard Dalloway." I think she is very scared of just being shrunk down into a wife instead of her own unique person. Maybe her "what if?" thoughts with Peter wonder if she would feel more like her own person if she had married Peter, someone with less social expectations from others. Maybe she wouldn't feel like she had to perform to be the perfect hostess if there was no pressure to host. Overall, her relationship with Peter is very complex, and I definitely prefer Richard, yet I think the unknowing has really stayed with her and works itself into many parts of her life.
For Richard, I originally thought that he was pretty bland and just kind of a bummer part of Clarissa's life. However, as we actually got to see Richard interact with other people, I grew to like him more and more. If you were to steal my book you would see my insightful annotations about him, such as: "he is such a sweetheart." You can easily tell he really cares about her, even if he is sometimes awkward or not the best at showing it. He tried to give her a gift, which she didn't really like, so the next time he tried flowers, not realizing she had spent her morning also buying flowers. He also spent a whole walk back from town hyping himself up to tell his wife he loves her. He just seems like a somewhat awkward yet extremely kind person. Clarissa also explains that, "For in marriage a little license, a little independence there must be between people living together day in day out in the same house; which Richard gave her, and she him...But with Peter everything had to be shared; everything gone into." I think this independence is very important for Clarissa, as she feels like she is not simply his wife, but also has time to be her own person, while fulfilling the common wife duties for their social status such as hosting parties.
Overall, her relationship with both of them is pretty complicated and confusing. I don't think there is a 'right' answer of why she feels a certain way about either of them. For Peter, I think it was a good choice not to marry him, as she seems to need the independence, however she is stuck going on wondering what her life would've been like. For Richard, while they seem to get along and she never really says anything negative about him, they don't seem to have a super strong connection. I mean, the guy gets nervous to say "I love you" to his wife. Even after writing this, I have many unanswered questions or ideas of why Clarissa felt some way about one of them, but I wanted to use this blog post to think about some ways in which her opinion's of them differed and why that might be.
I totally agree with you about not having a solid opinion on either of them. Like you, I do not think Peter would have been the right choice for her and I think she still wonders about him because of what he represents, not who he is. However, like you mentioned, although Richard and Clarissa do have a domestic nature to their relationship it does not seem like either of them are entirely fulfilled. I am curious to know what would happen if there were to be a Mrs. Dalloway two,
ReplyDeleteHi Hazel! I like how you analyze Peter and Richard in regard to Clarissa, as there's so much to constantly consider, even though it never truly gets answered by Clarissa herself. From what I gathered though, Peter is definitely someone she's with because of what he represents, and Richard is who she's with for safety, which unfortunately make neither the ideal choice for Clarissa (in my opinion at least). Great blog!
ReplyDeleteI think you did a great job of analyzing both of these complex characters and I while reading i found myself agreeing with you a lot. I think you are right in that Richard is definitely and more down to earth sweet person while Peter is a little more erratic. One thing I had to think about was the idea of different levels of independence for Clarissa depending on who she married because although she states that Richard gave her more freedom then Peter would have, I kinda think that If she had married Peter she wouldn't have found herself being the perfect hostess and instead have been gallivanting across the world to places like India which is arguably much more independent then her life with Richard.
ReplyDeleteI really like your connection of Peter 'butting into' Clarissa's life to her everyday thoughts about him. The fact that his presence is kind of forever bothering her, even if he's not actually present, is deeply interesting and definitely shows some of the dynamic of their relationship. I also love your point that Clarissa's freedom in her marriage with Richard is integral to her character and personhood. I think it's very interesting that while she still loses herself a little, becoming "Mrs. Richard Dalloway," she still recognizes that she has far more freedom with Richard than she ever could with Peter. Overall, this is a great blog post!
ReplyDeleteHi Hazel! First of all, I love the title---Everybody Loves Raymond is one of my family's favorite shows and we quote things from it all the time. I don't know if you've watched the episode where Ray starts obsessing over the opinion of the ONE guy who doesn't like him for whatever reason, but Clarissa's relationship with Peter reminds me a little of that dynamic. For some reason, humans have a nasty habit of caring way more about the opinions of those who have critical things to say about us than those who say positive things. Part of what allows Peter to have such a chokehold on Clarissa's thoughts is the fact that he's such a negative person, and the fact that Richard is so positive might even contribute to why she doesn't seem as attached to him or invested in what he thinks of her. Great post!
ReplyDeleteEveryone in this class is aware of my strong feelings for Richard Dalloway, and I concur with everything you say here. I would even say that the "bland" aspects of his personality are a big part of what Clarissa does value about him and their marriage--like how he predictably will remind her to follow doctor's orders and have an hour's rest after lunch. He has been taking care of her throughout her life-threatening bout with influenza, and he takes her health and well-being very seriously. This makes him seem like a bit of a fuddy-duddy, and he's not necessarily the most romantic character in the book, but he's a solid dude who does what needs to be done. I often think of Peter's core memory of Richard, telling Clarissa to calm down as he takes care of the injured dog. There's something no-nonsense and practical about him, a genuinely thoughtful person who cares deeply for his wife and daughter. He is more "boring" than our boy Peter, but Woolf shows how a less "boring" life doesn't necessarily bring happiness. When it comes down to it, I can't help but feel like Peter would ultimately envy what Richard and Clarissa have together.
ReplyDeleteHi Hazel, I agree that neither Peter nor Richard are particulary great choices for Clarissa. Though, Richard does seem to insight happier feelings than when she sees Peter, we never heard about her thinking Richard would butt into a conversation or have annoying little habits like playing with a knife. Overall, each of them have their perks and flaws, but Clarissa's decision seems to be based off needing someone more quiet and reserved. Great blog!
ReplyDeleteHi Hazel, I agree that both clarissa's options kind of suck. Peter pisses me off though, so I'm glad she went with richard. I think he's a safe, comfortable option and ultimately a lot less of a douchebag than Peter.
ReplyDeleteHi, Hazel! By all means, Richard was a better option when compared to Peter. To have two significantly insecure people married to one another (with the added fact that they have a particular history of not exactly seeing eye-to-eye when it came to each other's goals in life) would have been chaos. Richard, however, as subtle as he can try to be, loves his wife entirely and without the shame of acting like some sort of schoolboy whilst doing so. This was a great post!
ReplyDeleteI think this is a great comparative analysis of Richard and Peter. With the way Clarissa was talking about her marriage early on as you explored, I was really expecting Richard to be a bland and uninteresting man. It was really surprising to see this really caring and loving husband, buying flowers for Clarissa. Great post!
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